Shot my group by mold with w different hps and the solid version using 2 different alloys and came away with two useable loads. One I really like was the large hp cast out of 1/3 ww 2/3 pure. It shot 2 1/8 at a 100 yards for an average of two 5 shot groups. The solid version cast out of #2 water dropped did a bit better at right at two inch. Both plenty accurate for what that gun is used for. Best load is still with the reineer solid at 1 1/8 and the reineer hp at 1 1/2 but they cost money and are lighter and seem to hit my steel targets with not near the authority of the coated cast. Ive probably put 200 rounds down range in the last couple days with it and not a bit of leading in the barrel. I fooled with these same bullets a year or two ago and didn't get near as good results conventional lubesized. As a matter of fact the groups with the soft alloy were about twice what they were coated. Found out though that these bullets still need there gas checks. Without them the soft alloy wouldn't even consistently hit the target and the water dropped bullets were making about 6-8 inch groups. Kind of comical shooting it. both days I had the 9mm ar15 and a 223 that ive been playing with and my buddy showed up and helped me burn off some leftovers and he about went slack jawed the first time he shot the spinner with the beo. It about lifts it off the ground. Again id like to thank smoke and the others who helped me and put up with me through this. You taught an old dog a new trick!!!!